Saturday, October 19, 2013

Marijuana

For good or bad, Colorado is notorious for the passing of Amendment 64 legalizing limited marijuana usage. I recently saw John Stewart and Bill O'Reilly making fun of Coloradans on The Daily Show. A very important piece of the new law clearly states that marijuana usage in public is still illegal.  A-Basin is a public place and you cannot smoke marijuana here.

Already I have kicked several people out of here and taken their ski passes for smoking in public. Those passes will be gone for a very long time. We will not hesitate to call the cops on this issue.

Marijuana smokers, please use your heads on this.  You cannot smoke marijuana in public while at A-Basin.


165 comments:

Anonymous said...

and skiing stoned is no better than skiing, or driving, drunk!

Anonymous said...

Thank you Al!!!! And as one with Asthma sometime also remind guests that smoking anytime on the lifts and mazes is against Summit County law an subject to a fine . I have been close to needing to call ski patrol for emer Oxygen service after having smoke blow back during a lift ride.

Anonymous said...

Wow I'm surprised. Pulling peoples passes and ruining their season before it even starts? Over weed? Come on. I think I'll wait to start my season somewhere else after seeing this.

Brandon Sucher said...

Al,

Thank you for taking some initiative towards this. I was on the mountain this morning and the entire park smelled like weed the whole time I was there. There were at least 2-3 people smoking in the trees at any given time.

I'm not against weed or the legalization of it, but turning public places into smoke spots is not cool.

Thanks again!

Mateo Clemente said...

As the whole state goes to pot, leave it to the ski hills to keep the dream of prohibition alive. This from a hill that prides itself on a very strong bloody mary alcohol breakfast as a trademark.

Anonymous said...

Thank You AL!

Keep it up.

Anonymous said...

I'm pro Marijuana but this makes a lot of sense. A Basin is a family friendly place, and my memories of learning to ski there when I was 4 don't include groups of people getting high. Once there is a bit more snow head to more isolated areas and sneak around or eat an edible. Either way, kids should have to be asking their parents "what's that smell" while just learning to hit moguls or heading in to the trees for the first time.

Anonymous said...

With that attitude, yes, please start your season somewhere else.

Anonymous said...

It's just weed guys chill out. I get it if people don't want others to smoke on the lift, but in the woods away from people isn't anything to pull someone's pass over. Would you pull someone's pass for smoking a cigarette in the woods? A-basin is known as the party mountain pre-season and post-season and I see people drinking in the parking lot all the time. That's probably a little worse thank smoking a little marijuana in the trees

Anonymous said...

Lol. How do u figure being high while skiing is on the same level as drunk driving?

Anonymous said...

The smoke was from the chair ahead of u? Sounds like physical activity may not be your "thing" if u almost needed oxygen from just this

Anonymous said...

Way to say "for good or bad" and then follow that statement with the word "notorious". Wonder where you stand on this issue???

Anonymous said...

Ur taking peoples passes because they smoked ...how about a warning....I bet if a basin could profit from weed they would build a million dollar weed bar but they can't so they sell alcohol instead something that impairs u way more...don't ruin peoples season over weed. Educate them... and don't be a hipocrite..and think about this why is alcohol ok at a basin ..but weed isn't not saying smoke whereever u want but this post is pathetically hipocritical when u endorse boooz!

Anonymous said...

I suffer medicinally and use it nearly all day long to prevent my normal pain level which to most people is a level of 8 on the 10 point scale. I ski double blacks all day, I cant ever manage to get a lighter to light on the mountain so there is no need to smoke there. Thats why I use hash vaporizor, the people on the lift dont smell, or have second hand smoke since its vapor. No one ever notices im using cannabis...And to a basin....There are ways other then smoking to consume... Be mindful

Anonymous said...

Most ski areas in Colorado are on Federal land.. so Federal laws apply, not State laws.. and Federal fines and sentences are far worse than any State's! Losing a pass is peanuts in comparison!

Anonymous said...

Way to say "for good or bad" and then follow that statement with the word "notorious". Wonder where you stand on this issue Al??? LOL

Anonymous said...

Yeah, because skiing drunk is so much safer.

Anonymous said...

Hope you enforce this on everyone from 13-99.

Anonymous said...

Like everyone, Al will get over it. Give him time. He means well.

Anonymous said...

Al,

Thank you! You re-affirmed my decision to buy an Arapahoe Basin Passes for myself and my family. I can't wait to hit the slopes!
Best,
Veronica

Taper said...

How about a post for the cigarette smokers, that I have to ride an entire lift behind breathing in that cancer causing garbage. Deal with the real issue because it happens EVERY TIME I attend your mountain. :(

Anonymous said...

Drinking beer in the parking lots, lift lines, amd bars is ok though? Hypocritical.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Al! I've smelled it much more already this season that I had in the past. I'm so tired of pot heads that think 64 lets them smoke whenever and wherever they want. I don't care if people do it, I just don't want it around me and don't want to smell it, just like cigarettes. Just another reason I'm happy to call the basin my home mountain!

Anonymous said...

Oh, you'll make a point that marijuana gets your pass taken, but you're not going to make any mention of the beers being drank in the lift line, let alone the parking lot? If you're going to turn A Basin into a no-fun zone then at least address both of these equally. That's the whole point of 64.

Anonymous said...

Glad this is happening. The only place you can start your season at is the backcountry because enforcement in other resorts will be just as stringent if not more so.
I'm also tired of the comparison to alcohol as I never have inhaled anyone else's beer!
Get a grip or get out. Good riddance......

bubba said...

I hope you piss test your employees too.

bmurphyco said...

Smoke pot ski hot. You have a bar and serve people drinks what is the difference. Pulling passes for weed come on. A warning should suffice this is not Nazi Germany or Utah!

Anonymous said...

Amen!

Anonymous said...

64 says no smoking in public, so get over it. Quit using the law in any way you wish. Great work, Al. Thanks for keeping it clean on the hill. Pot heads can go to Loveland Pass if they can't follow the rules. Keep pulling those passes!

Anonymous said...

i hope you are pulling people's passes for drinking in the parking lot too... oh thats not going to happen, be mindful... i would rather have my kids see someone smoking then drinking in a parking lot. If you are going to enforce laws, you should probably enforce ALL laws. Not just pick the ones you find offensive.

Anonymous said...

As a healthcare provider, I can say that smelling pot smoke will never cause an asthma attack, but physical activity will. There is no need to be dramatic on this issue. A Basin is open to the general public, to those who purchase passes. Colorado voted to pass amendment 64 that legalized marijuana, for the public. Marijuana is now legal for the public just like alcohol. Get over it and grow up.

Anonymous said...

If abasin could make money selling marijuana, like beer at their bars, I wonder if Al still posts his comment. HypocriticAL.

Anonymous said...

I'm hopeful we are getting close to the point where we simply get rid of the snowboarders. They are the losers that are going to ruin this for everyone.

Anonymous said...

I'm so tired of hypocrites that drink beer at bars on mountain then look down on "pot head"

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Al! I'm glad to see that A-Basin is not letting this ride.
It is about following the law--no weed in public. I was not a supporter of the law, but I don't really mind when people are smoking in their own homes. I really don't want to MJ smoke around myself (asthmatic) or pre-teens.

Anonymous said...

If Abasin takes such a hard stance on this, then why don't you check the alcohol level of everyone leaving the parking lot too? And people comlaining about smoke inhalation from 50 yards away.. cmon.. really? You complain every time you smell car fumes, a grill, booze, etc? You'll be fine.. find something else to complain about. And maybe try to enjoy the day without letting a wiff of pot ruin it. Better yet.. ask for a pull.. most will oblige :)

Anonymous said...

Ski breck more woods and shacks for that

Anonymous said...

As a long time weed smoker, I think you have to be a complete moron to get your pass swiped because you couldn't find somewhere to rip a hitter privately. Don't smoke on the lift, or pass a bowl around a group of five outside your car. Blaze up in your car, or find a spot in the trees when they're rideable. I ride at beaver creek on Saturdays (less busy), spend my day on royal elk or any other glade areas and when I want to smoke up I sit below a tree or two and do my business. Grow up kids. Is not that hard. As for looking past all the alcohol being consumed in ABasin parking lots, you need to drop the ball on that too AL. Again drink a couple in your car, you don't look that cool.

Anonymous said...

you will never stop us. long live 420

Anonymous said...

Shielding children from adult activities is one thing but pulling passes for weed... when it's legal in the state?! Always been a huge abay supporter but this seems pretty hypocritical, and not all helpful to those who are MM patients or recreational users. If you want anyone to listen to this advice I would try to set forth a realistic policy other than "we'll call the cops". Maybe I'll call the cops next time I see people getting on skis when they leave the bar or light up a cigarette. Not the way to get people on your side about this, disapponting this kind of close-mindedness is going on. Intolerance in any form is ugly amd ineffective guys, lets try to get along here together somehow..

Anonymous said...

It's not that Al has any grudge over all this stuff, its the fact that it is AGAINST THE LAW. And if you can't go one day without smoking weed in public, then you are just a sad individual. And you can not compare it to the bloody mary breakfast when alcohol consumption is legal, and weed smoking in public isn't...Good job Al, thank you for making most people'es experience that much better.

Anonymous said...

I call bullshit on this blog, Al. Some friends and I decided to get out of the cloud of weed at the park and build a small jump in the powder. Ski patrol decided to flex their muscle and kill the fun demanding passes. After being hesitantly cooperative we got a warning citing safety and what not. Meanwhile there were at least 15 people smoking weed in the trees behind the rails. I mentioned this, your ski patrol response was "out of sight, out of mind" I like your outwardly attack towards weed, however your ski patrol obviously doesn't share your idea. They would rather give some guys building a small jump, having fun, a hard time rather than attack the real problem. If your ski patrols mentality is "out of sight out of mind" you'll sure as shit have a lawsuit from the first person that gets run over by an impaired skier or snowboarder. No matter how ironclad you think your agreements are, a good lawyer is all it takes!

Anonymous said...

its not the herb that is the problem..

the problem is the lack of discretion some young adults are showing..

come on guys.. abay is a family place .. keep it on the dl

pulling a pass over a single public consumption issue seems draconian.. I expect people will and should get the warning

Anonymous said...

Shielding children from adult activities is one thing but pulling passes for weed... when it's legal in the state?! Always been a huge abay supporter but this seems pretty hypocritical, and not all helpful to those who are MM patients or recreational users. If you want anyone to listen to this advice I would try to set forth a realistic policy other than "we'll call the cops". Maybe I'll call the cops next time I see people getting on skis when they leave the bar or light up a cigarette. Not the way to get people on your side about this, disapponting this kind of close-mindedness is going on. Intolerance in any form is ugly amd ineffective guys, lets try to get along here together somehow..

Anonymous said...

Legal or not, it has always been a tradition for skiers to sneak off into the woods and smoke a little of natures green. I've been doing just that with friends for 28 years, so that's not going to change now. Lighten-up!

Anonymous said...

Group full of skiers were next to my car urinating, chugging beers taking shots and who knows what else in the parking lot and getting rid of snowboarders will fix the problem??? It's not an issue of skiers vs. snowboarders here, lets grow up people. Go move to Utah or some shit if you don't like encountering people smoking a little weed...cause the problem isn't going anywhere

Anonymous said...

But come drink beer like crazy! :P

I'm all for respectful discreteness, but this is over the top. Why would you want to alienate so much of the crowd that respects the basin and partakes in a substance safer than alcohol?

Anonymous said...

I'm all for banning smoking of all kinds on the mountain. But you don't need to act like Amendment 64 is some kind of embarrassment. Marijuana prohibition is a failure and we should be proud that Colorado is leading the way on this. Believe me, people around the world are rooting for us to succeed and marijuana will be legal soon in many more places.

Anonymous said...

It is not illegal to smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol in public

It is illegal to smoke marijuana in public.

That is the fundamental truth here that noone seems to accept.

Anonymous said...

Al,
Thank you so much for addressing this issue. I suffer from a rare disease that is made worse by the smell of marijuana. You see, I have Chronic Irritable Bowel Syndrome and even a slight bit of smoke will cause me to suddenly lose my bowels. Unfortunately this has happened twice this year since the opening. Both times occurred while I was riding the ski lift, AND I WEAR A ONE PIECE! Don't worry, I won't be asking for any restitution but I would like for this marijuana drug business to come to an end. That DRUG is killing children all around the world, and just when I think I am safe, it "kills" my self esteem by causing me to defecate in public as well as the more obvious location, MY PANTS. I digress...Thank You Al for standing up to these hoodlums that think it is okay to use drugs in public. ~Griff

Anonymous said...

Al,
Thank you so much for addressing this issue. I suffer from a rare disease that is made worse by the smell of marijuana. You see, I have Chronic Irritable Bowel Syndrome and even a slight bit of smoke will cause me to suddenly lose my bowels. Unfortunately this has happened twice this year since the opening. Both times occurred while I was riding the ski lift, AND I WEAR A ONE PIECE! Don't worry, I won't be asking for any restitution but I would like for this marijuana drug business to come to an end. That DRUG is killing children all around the world, and just when I think I am safe, it "kills" my self esteem by causing me to defecate in public as well as the more obvious location, MY PANTS. I digress...Thank You Al for standing up to these hoodlums that think it is okay to use drugs in public. ~Griff

Anonymous said...

HAHA anyone who gets caught smoking at a ski area is a real dolt. I will continue to smoke at abasin and good luck finding me.

Anonymous said...

Al, I got your back. As much as I really love 64, it IS ILLEGAL to smoke in public. It is, however, legal to have a drink and go skiing, despite the inherent danger in doing so. Have some respect for A-Basin, and some tact for the people who don't agree with 64, and be discreet and private with your smoking. That said, I would like to see warnings for public smoking instead of taking passes.

Anonymous said...

Well we gotta do something to pass the time when you have to wait 40 minutes for a chair just to ride a packed mountain with shitty snow...I guess I'll just get piss drunk next weekend since no one seems to care about that

Anonymous said...

The difference between alcohol and weed is that if somebody is drinking a beer, I dont have to participate, there is no "second hand beer". If someone is blowing pot smoke in my face my choice is taken away...not rocket science people. Smoke that crap in your own home, car, or away from the public, and especially kids!!!!



JP said...

I am pro legalization and Marijuana, but all of you that are arguing over this is ridiculous. Forget about from a safety or a legal stand point. what about the fact that there are a lot of people skiing on the mountain that are not necessarily thrilled about having the smell of pot resonating throughout the mountain. If for no other reason, follow the rule for the curtsey of others. If you want to get high either do it in your car or take edibles. There are a lot of people that don't like the smell. and don't want their kids being exposed to it. No one said don't smoke. just do it on your own. If you are one of those people that doesn't care to extend curtsey to others then you shouldn't be allowed on the mountain either way.

Anonymous said...

Hey I too have that same form of Irritable Bowel Syndrome... Would you like to meet up in the morning and take some turns. We could be each other's support, helping one another through the trials of having such a horrible disease...

Anonymous said...

Lighting up in front of me in public will find you face down with flex cuffs on. Keep it up and find out...

Anonymous said...

ummm actually it is not legal to drink in public. Seen this several times here. I'm not sure why all the drunks keep thinking this.

Anonymous said...

WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LOSE THEIR BOWELS WHEN THEY GET SECOND HAND MARIJUANA SMOKE!?!

Anonymous said...

hahahahahahaha
like this is going to change anything if you don't like people smoking pot.... Sorry you live in Colorado

Anonymous said...

Yeah really maybe the notorious marijuana is cutting down the profits from those highly priced bloody marys. Psssh Al you could of gotten the point across with out sounding like such a dick tracy.

Anonymous said...

You see, I was behind this chick and her boyfriend in the lines today and one of them farted pretty loud, and it really did not smell good AT ALL!! I almost gagged. I'm so tired of people thinking the can just pass gas wherever they want. It's ruining this mountain, and quite frankly, ruining our entire state. A blog on this issue would be greatly appreciated Al

Anonymous said...

Flex cuffs...niiiice

Anonymous said...

Wow thats just funny. Your really funny!

Anonymous said...

LOOK! That was me losing my bowels because of the marijuana smoke! You see how this affects people! It's the marijuana! Get rid of it Al!

Anonymous said...

"You see, I was behind this chick and her boyfriend in the lines today and one of them farted pretty loud, and it really did not smell good AT ALL!! I almost gagged. I'm so tired of people thinking the can just pass gas wherever they want. It's ruining this mountain, and quite frankly, ruining our entire state. A blog on this issue would be greatly appreciated Al"

I'm glad someone beat me to it. Sounds like most people here are just offended by smelling it a little.

Anonymous said...

Keep burning the weed on Federal land and see how long the land use permit lasts. It may be the issue that ruins a legend. Enforce the law Al. You are right on this very important issue.

Anonymous said...

10/19- Lift line smelled like weed, saw a bunch of drunk people, and overheard a few mentioning some coked up skiing. There is a time and a place for everything, but the slopes are not the time or place to do drugs.

Thanks Al.

Anonymous said...

I think "burning weed" is the least of the Federal Land's worries at this point

Anonymous said...

"Keep burning the weed on Federal land and see how long the land use permit lasts. It may be the issue that ruins a legend. Enforce the law Al. You are right on this very important issue."

If our government shuts down a ski area because people are smoking in the woods, I'm moving to Canada lol

Anonymous said...

Silly Al, rules are for Vail!

Anonymous said...

What about Dabs? We can do Dabs though right? They aren't as smelly, it would be good for all those people with irritable Bowell Syndrome

Anonymous said...

Drug addict losers. Smoke your filthy weed in your homes and leave it out of the woods. Goobers. Get your snowboards and get out!

Anonymous said...

I'm a healthcare provider and I know more than anyone else, blah, blah, blah.... Shut up stupid and get back to emptying colostomy bags. You know nothing.

Anonymous said...

Heading up tomorrow and I hope the pot heads do some hard time in the pen. Loudmouth, unemployed scabs.

Anonymous said...

Yeah you Goofy Goobers! Quit it

Ben said...

Two things to say here: First--if you're going to go smoke or pee in the woods, make sure you're not on a little kids tree-trail. Taking laps through TB trees with my son and his friends last winter made me start to believe those who say that smoking dope makes people stupid. Second--if you need to enhance the experience of sliding around on snow with anything other than some good friends you're missing the point.

Anonymous said...

Your article breathes anti ganja pro alcohol.. how many people died driving drunk back from your place since you opened..??? tell us those facts!!! You alcohol drivin old peeps need to change your depends

Anonymous said...

Yes!! Please do something about stinky farts and cigarettes!! I don't like to smell it and am offended!!

Anonymous said...

Please go somewhere else. You won't hurt anyone's feelings.

Anonymous said...

I am pro-Marijuana, but I agree with Al. It's a public place. Just because 64 passed does not mean that you can be stupid with your grass.

I gave up grass years ago, just not for me. If you must toke while skiing or boarding, then do a better job with being discrete about it. It is like peeing in public, if you whip out your wiener or joint in public, its not cool. But if go deep into the woods to pee or toke, or some far corner away from people, then out-of-sight, out of mind. Enjoy what you do, just be discrete and cool.

Anonymous said...

If a public area does not permit smoking, it applies to all smoking; cigarettes, pipes, cigars, pot, etc. Now, that said, people have been going into the woods at ski areas for decades to smoke pot. But, at least they went into the woods to do it, and did not do it out in the open. It you are going to do it, at least be discrete about it.

Anonymous said...

People, just smoke Spice or Bath Salts instead. No offensive smell...wayyyyy safer. No irritable bowel syndrome incidents, less stinky farts. Everybody wins

Anonymous said...

I don't want to take my children anywhere that is not safe and family friendly. Thank you Al. ....keep the drunks out, too.

Anonymous said...

Pulling passes? Seriously? A little harsh, you think?

Carolyn Sheehan said...

awwww shucks.

Carolyn Sheehan said...

All this family friendly sh*** you don't take your kids to A-Basin - get a clue!!!

Anonymous said...

On 10/18 I was riding up the lift and there were some people smoking in front of me.. i think they were probably ethnic snowboarders.. they smoked for nearly two minutes strait, depleting my oxygen levels to the point where I had to call an ambulance. Later I found out I did also have a panic attack as and altitude sickness because I am from texas but thats beside the point.. i'm only skiing vail from now on

Anonymous said...

Literally all that is wrong with weed, is the smell. It is impossible for it to impair your breathing first, or secondhand. And it will not affect you in anyway if you aren't the one doing it besides an inconvenient smell. People should be less concerned with how the smell affects their experience, but more concerned with how people drinking will affect not only their time at the basin but POSSIBLY THEIR LIVES in the process. So sure, take it to the trees or your car, but dont even pretend that the two bars enabling not only drinking and skiing/riding but drinking and driving aren't the more pressing concern.

Anonymous said...

being from california, me and my kids wear masks over our faces just incase anyone is smoking cigarettes, marijuana, or having a nearby campfire or bbq. This solves the problem. I never have to risk my children inhaling smoke or getting offended and we can continue to ski at abasin safely

stephen said...

It grows in the woods dip shit...

Anonymous said...

I agree that it should be done discreetly, but pulling passes seems excessive. I would say you're betting against the tide if you think alienating that demographic is a good idea. Have you considered how these actions and publicity will affect A-Basin long term? How about we keep A-basin as a going concern past your tutelage?

Anonymous said...

Thank you for enforcing this, Al!

Few things make me as angry as pot smoke, cigarette smoke is close though. Please, pot heads, don't force me to share your recreational drug.

Like the previous poster, I don't mind the legalization, I just mind being forced to share people's drug of choice.

Anonymous said...

I'm calling BS!

Anonymous said...

Seems really hypocritical, considering you pride yourselves as having a strong bloody Mary, don't you think?
People die from alcohol everyday, there has never been a death as a result of marijuana. I've lived in the County since 03 and have always been a fan of the basin, reading this had made me lost a lot of respect for this Al guy......what a turd statement to make, you just alienated half of the County, you know the people that you say this mountain is for........

I'm not saying that people should be allowed to smoke out in the open but to blog about it? Alienating the locals and people who like the "laid back" attitude of the basin will not go over well...

Anonymous said...

From a business standpoint, this is an atrocious decision by A-basin. The customer that early season skiing at A-basin appeals to is certainly not families and children but rather largely young adults, park rats, and those who come for the party like atmoshpere. This is one of the most marijuana tolerant target markets that a business can have and overreacting to smoking that largely occurs in the woods and other isolated areas is an extremely bad choice.

Anonymous said...

i'm a mother and NOTHING makes me more angry than smoke and truck exhaust. I would personally cut off the hands of all smokers and truck drivers.. id like to see them ruin my air quality without hands

Anonymous said...

In all honesty smoke as much weed as you want - just be discreet. That's pretty much the law.

If you are going to act like an asshole you should probably be treated like an asshole. Don't showboat it and you'll be fine. That goes for liquor as well.

Be smart and you won't get hassled.

Anonymous said...

Uh wake up we blaze at Vail too!

Anonymous said...

Fact, no one has ever died from the consumption of marijuana.

Anonymous said...

Get rid of the bar and alcohol, then I'll consider it......until then, I'm going to keep blazing.

Drunk skiing/riding: a million times more dangerous than skiing/riding high. How do I know? Because I've done them both.

Anonymous said...

come on guys!! John Stewart and Bill O'Reilly are laughing at us!!! we need to do take immediate and drastic action

Anonymous said...

"I'm a mother", well please keep your violent felonies to yourself. It's OUR state, not yours.

Anonymous said...

smokey this is not Nam, this is abasin. there are rules

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Chris Colvin said...

Thanks Al! Smelled pretty bad in line on Friday.

Anonymous said...

My sister ended up in the emergency room because she is allergic to marijuana and someone smoked it near her. Inhaled particulate matter always has the potential to cause reactive airway issues. Cigarette smoke is definitely worse but two wrongs don't make a right.

Anonymous said...

Some of you are so ignorant. First off yes it is not legal in public yet but the people drinking beer outside is way worse than weed for your health, and to the person that said it made your asthma worse, you dont know a thing about it. Many people use it medically for their asthma. Do your research before you say something stupid.

Anonymous said...

I was there today, standing in line mostly. This "smell" is nothing new. Closing day this passed season was the same, the year before that was the same. So now that pot is legal it's a problem?

Anonymous said...

^^ i bet the reason it smelled bad in the line on friday was the guy commenting about his rare form of irritable bowel syndrome i say we pull his pass!

Anonymous said...

I am glad I didn't buy an A-basin pass. Al, start yanking passes from people drunk on the slopes and take breathalyzers. Smokers, go to your cars and stop being so showy, you're making bad examples. Other than that, everybody mind your own business.

Anonymous said...

Some of us have to pass drug tests for our jobs (i.e. security clearance, federal contracts, standard background checks for new jobs). I don't think I should have to avoid one of my favorite outdoor activities since I don't want to risk my job since someone lights up next to me on the lift. The law got passed with the caveat that it will not be consumed in public. Go enjoy it in your car or apres ski. Kudos to Al for addressing the issue.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to burst your bubble, but for some of us, any kind of smoke effects our allergies and/or asthma. Being 100s of miles from the wildfires still forced many people inside.
The only way someone drinking alcohol is going to directly impact my health is if a drunk runs into me on the slopes or the roads. And, yes, I would like to see less of that.

allan anufi said...

I was with you until the calling the cops part. I think that is excessive. Having a pot conviction can easily ruin someones career. Why not just pull their passes? I don't think abasin should be in the business of ruining peoples lives, its just supposed to be a place to have fun.

Phil said...

Yes, pull their passes. Smoking pot in public is NOT legal.

Hypocritical because of the Basin's policy on alcohol? Nope - alcohol consumption in public is legal.

What would be hypocritical is if they were checking persons for being under the influence of marijuana only, but not alcohol. That's not what's happening.

Please also enforce the no smoking cigarettes in the lift lines.

Anonymous said...

.Ya it's totally not legal to drink in public. And it's hypocritical because beers can be consumed out in the open yet pot (the other legal adult substance in colorado) is just cause for pass pulling and cops called. I hate to say its about money but abay has no incentive to allow pot, alcohol is a big part of business. And yes it needs to be done discretely away from kids and and people who don't want to breath it.

Anonymous said...

Second hand pot smoke will not make you fail a drug test, I've got first hand knowledge on that issue.

dave said...

Once keystone opens and all the rad bros transfer to the park and ski the same lame terrain all day the party problems will go away and well be left with the greatness of a bay

Anonymous said...

Don't hand over your pass to an employee If they bust you. Tell them you don't have one. Unless your sitting on a chair you aren't required to. It's national forest land! And for calling the cops, where's your proof that what was being smoked wasn't tobacco? Summit county sherriff deputy's are much more reasonable than. This ALsshole !! Shame on you a basin!

Anonymous said...

Amen

Anonymous said...

Smoking Marijuana is ILLEGAL in Public.
Drinking Alcohol is ILLEGAL in Public (Public Consumption Law.) Places such as Vegas or New Orleans are part of the few that allow public drinking.

By these standards, the entire crowd of Abasin should have their passes pulled and arrested on the spot. You can not single out one side of this argument. Either both are going to be acceptable or neither is. Turning a blind eye to alcohol does not help.

Side Note: I've seen drunk people cause way more problems and hurt more people than stoned people ever have.

Anonymous said...

NERDS

Anonymous said...

Are you losers serious!? Did I just read someone some needed to call for oxygen because someone in a lift in front of them was smoking anything? I don't care if it was crystal meth if you are on a lift hight on a mountain and you need more oxygen for anything it's not the weed....I bet you anything hiding behind your "Anonomous" profile you are a biscuit shy of 300lbs and it's not the weed you need oxygen for it's just your out of shape and like most fat people it's always someone else's or something else's fault. Even if your not fat get a life. Were at war, our kids out dying for YOUR freedom and your worried about what an adult is doing 100ft in front of you high on a mountain complaining about air!? I don't even smoke myself but there are bigger fish to fry! My opinion on the matter...GET A LIFE!!!

firefly said...

This was a really good opportunity to engage patrons about what the rules are for different intoxicants, and maybe say that you were going to enforce both the liquor and the weed laws/rules more assertively than in previous years. Instead, with the whole "we won't hesitate to call the cops"... you've driven home just why it was Amendment 64 got passed... people (your patrons included) aren't keen on the idea of you wasting valuable emergency resources on minor offenses, and they aren't particularly keen on the idea of prosecuting, incarcerating, parolling, and ruining young peoples entire lives over such minor infractions. It started as a really good customer engagement and education opportunity, and ended with a COO being needlessly confrontational for no apparent reason. If this is how you address problems, I can only imagine how tough it has to be for line employees to maintain a positive customer service attitude.

I like A-bay, so I'd appreciate it if you'd read the following, and try to understand how it might be better:

Dear A-Basin Friend and Patrons,

We're thrilled to be open for the 2013-2014 season and look forward to having one of the best years in our long history. We have, however, noticed some confusion on the part of some of our guests, and would like to clear up the A-Basin rules and relevant Colorado laws.

Though Amendment 64 will make possession of Marijuana legal on January 1st, the law expressly states that it does not make public consumption (by smoking or any other means) legal. At A-basin we take great pride not only in our Colorado heritage, but in our work to provide the safest family-friendly environment possible. To that end, we're taking this opportunity to inform you that bringing intoxicants onto lifts, no matter what, is both unlawful and unsafe, and aside from potentially resulting in the loss of your pass, could result in serious, or even life-threatening injuries.

Because of this confusion, we're working hard with our staff to both inform you of these laws and to enforce them in a way that ensures our high standards of guest safety. We apologize for any misunderstandings you might have had, and if you have any follow up questions regarding our safety policies, please ask any Guest Services Agent or Ski Patrol team member.

We look forward to a great, and safe, season of skiing and snowboarding with you.


///I hope you can see the differences there, no threats, no references to how other people might perceive those particular patrons in a negative manner... just a firm, clearly articulated statement of the resorts position. Also, the above statement would make it more clear that you intend for this policy to be consistently applied staff-wide, so it's about the resort instead of about Al.

Best Regards,
Ken Lord

Anonymous said...

It's simple, you are on fed land, not state or private land. the Feds can come at anytime and ARREST anyone that is breaking federal laws.

I agree 10000% with pulling passes on the spot. You all that smoke pot should be smart enough to not be doing it on the mountain where you can be impaired and put others in danger. I'm waiting for the day that a lil kid is killed because some punk was super high.


Keep in mind I dont care what you do in your home / off the mountain. It does not belong on the mountain and I have turned in quite a few of my co-workers for smoking pot while on the job who were lift operators at other resorts.

So, Stop breaking the law and enjoy your time at the BASIN!!!!!

RaflW said...

Great reframing, Ken. I agree that intoxicants do not belong on guests at a ski area, with the focus on safety.
I hope A-basin is as serious about overserving at the bars, too.

Anonymous said...

Nailed it, thanks for this.

Anonymous said...

Alvin,

I have always enjoyed your blogs and abay for many years. You are making a good point in a bad way!! I bring my family here, yet I don't want pot exposed to my children. However, we have been more offended by loud mouth offensive drunks at your hill way more than pot smokers. Last year my daughter while in ski school got hit and injured by a runaway ski without a break. The guy was hammered and could barely make a sentence. THIS IS A PROBLEM!! I think I will "call the cops" on everyone I see leaving your lot after being over served in your bar this season!! What if just a few people took my stand and you had a police presence at abay daily?? What would your customers think?? Would they continue to be loyal?? You seem to be picking a fight we don't want to be in the middle of while vacationing!! But, if a fight and loosing business is your thing...keep threatening your customers and see them leave without returning. You will have a mountain full of people shitting on themselves!! While the rest of your past customers madly calling the cops on everyone seen drinking and leaving abay. ABC laws do apply as well and all servers are aware or the dram shop law on over serving alcohol. You just may find the cops there for your employees!! Stop the hate or these potheads will cause a stink that will be far worse than a shit smell.

Anonymous said...

Please move. You won't be missed either

Jim Perry said...

Talk about hair splitting. What exactly is " in public". If I am standing half way inside the door to a bar and drinking, am I in public or private?

Heezy79 said...

just an FYI for pot smokers.....
I live in Vail, and am pot friendly. Recently I went on a camping trip and while on my way out to the campsite, i get stopped by a Forest Service Sheriff. He smelled marijuana in the car and asked if I had any. I did and showed the marijuana to the officer. Even though we are in the great state of Colorado where pot is legal, and even though i have a Colorado medical marijuana card, i was still cited for possession of marijuana. How you might ask?......BECAUSE it is still federally illegal. The place we were going camping was on National Forest Service land and thus is still illegal.
I believe that A-Basin is on public National Forest land as well. Lets not have "rasta out" in public and get the cops/forest service involved. I love smoking pot, but doing it discretely will allow everyone to continue to enjoy the sweet sweet cheeba while making a few turns. oh, and I agree, children dont need to have pot smoke blown in their faces or smoked in front of them. Just plain wrong.


Anonymous said...

Al, I agree with your position on people smoking publicly, but I think a simple warning to begin with would've been appropriate. Had you caught somebody drinking a beer at the top of the lift, would you have yanked their pass? (I rather ride a mountain full of stoners than a mountain full of drunks!)

Anonymous said...

Ken nailed it perfectly. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

marijuana is a natural antihistamine. an educated public should know this. and do not exaggerate your situation. lieing is a dramatic character flaw

Anonymous said...

well said sir.

Anonymous said...

How can you do this to the pot smokers when smoking pot is pretty much the same thing as drinking now a days if you outlaw smoking pot then you should do away with the bar and the beer coolers on the beach because that's consuming in public too and drinking in public is just as illegal as smoking weed in public. How bout we make it fair? If you say you can't smoke pot at a-basin then you shouldn't serve beer and liquor there as well

Anonymous said...

that is a significant sign of alcoholism....I would rather not have you endangering the lives of skiiers and riders at 9am. please enforce prohibition on all fronts if you are so concerned.

Anonymous said...

what a joke! Al you are a tool. Pulling peoples passes for smoking herbs?!?! KYS

Anonymous said...

Wow...you just lost alot of business over this one. Who do you think the majority of your guests are?

Anonymous said...

hahahahahahahahha you should not be skiing

Anonymous said...

wont be coming back to A-basin again. Al your a total hypocrite.Way to alienate the majority of your customer base. Loveland is going to see a boost in early season business because of this.

Anonymous said...

yup

Anonymous said...

Good for you Al! Someone is finally taking the right stand.
Besides the FACT that public smoking of pot it completely ILLEGAL on federal land, it's unpleasant for those in the vicinity who don't wish to be sickened by the smell. As long as A-basin continues the zero tolerance policy, my family will ski a LOT more there and will totally avoid any ski are that ignores the law.

Keep up the great work!

Anonymous said...

Agreed!!

Anonymous said...

Let me start by saying that I regularly enjoy both drinking alcohol and smoking marijuna. I will also add that I am a doctor, only becasue for many of you this adds some sort of legitimacy to what I have to add to the discussion.

I think it is really shortsighted to be attacking Al personally on this issue. While I am not suggesting that Al's opinions are necessarily different than what he wrote, I think it is naive to assume that Al is necessarily personally opposed to marijuana. Regardless of his personal opinions, corporate organizations have to take a stance that is in line with the law regarding all things. If A-Basin were to choose not to address the issue at all, and a related accident were to occur, or the police were to intervene, the company could be held responsible.

That said, in this instance as with many other minor legal issues, speeding, rolling through stop signs, trespassing, etc., discretion usually results in going unnoticed and unarrested, and not getting one's pass swiped. I am unsure but am guessing that those who have had their passes swiped on this issue were 1. not discrete and 2. not terribly amicable upon being caught

Anonymous said...

I've got news for the pot smokers. While the majority may have voted to legalize pot in Colorado, the majority do not smoke it! Most of us can live our lives without needing to be high on a drug. Clearly, some of you cannot and have a drug problem.

I'm thrilled that Arapahoe Basin is taking a hard stance on this issue. It's a wise move and there is no way they have offended the majority of their customers. That's not the case. I would argue the few who you did offend are not the type of customers you want, so good riddance to them.

The fact is people who ski-snowboard while under the influence of drugs or alcohol are a hazard to themselves and others! If you cannot enjoy the sport drug free then maybe you should stay home.

Al, your blog post is appreciated and I think it was a nice warning to all that behavior like this will not be tolerated at your mountain.

Thank you,

Eric

Anonymous said...

Al, Did you reread your post before publishing!? It is very unprofessional and based on the comments, glaringly ineffective. Have someone proof your posts first.

Anonymous said...

Al

Your right on target. Hold fast.

There is no place for skiing drunk or high. Consideration for all those around you is one of the big reasons we ski at the basin. Those of us that ski all year at the basin, not just early season, do it because of the good, happy, considerate, vibe.

That being said, I am all for a few beers or whatever after the last run of the day.

Smoking tabbaco or weed in public is not cool - second hand smoke is second hand smoke.

Drinking a beer or Bloody Mary doesn't effect the people around you - smoking does!

No smoking in public should have one standard - you can't

Anonymous said...

Great job Al. Make sure that signs are posted stating that marijuana use on the mountain is not tolerated and all tickets rights will be taken away.

Anonymous said...

Whoa. Take it easy!

Anonymous said...

Not going to abasin at all this season. Take it easy Al. Pulling passes for marijuana is out of control. I don't even smoke and I think you're being an ass about it.

Ken - you nailed it.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Al,

Your patrons appreciate your efforts to comply with state and federal Law.

The few whiners will learn that other areas will also do the same.

Thanks for all your work all year to deliver a quality product and atmosphere all winter!

Anonymous said...

Running into someone at 30 miles an hour because of impairment on skis can still cause some serious damage. Kind of scary you asked that! I ski there with my kids.

Anonymous said...

The hell? If you're dumb enough to smoke in public then it's your own fault. That being said, I will continue to smoke off in the trees and Pow, away from all the families and kids and what not.

And no, it is nothing like skiing/driving drunk. They are completely different drugs triggering different chemicals in your body.

Anonymous said...

How about a little common sense people. Are you really naive enough to think that everyone enjoys what you're smoking? If pot and cigarette smokers would be a little more mindful of where the smoke's going, we'd all be a little better off. I love the ganja myself, but I'm not dumb enough to assume that it's inoffensive to others. Be smart, be discrete, and be thoughtful of others' desire for clean air - no matter what you're smoking. Anything less is just douchebaggery.

Anonymous said...

Sooooo tough. Get over yourself.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Al for your wise decision. I don't want my kids having second hand smoke because I know it's a gateway drug and I don't want my kids to be addicted to heroin.

Golden Skiers said...

Thanks Al! Smoking pot in public is against the law and ruins the experience for others. Also, having an open container of alcohol in public is against the law. Both are dangerous not just to the one doing it but especially those in the vicinity. It is a shame people have to get high or drunk and can't enjoy the reality of life and skiing.

Anonymous said...

Skiing itself is the best high. Carving a turn, floating on powder, feeling the breeze. Breathing the pristine air looking at some of the most beautiful mountains in North America--that's the kind of high I like. Who needs drugs or alcohol when you've got skiing?

Anonymous said...

Well I don't smoke.. nor do I have any interest in being high or using marijuana... however people have been smoking in the trees and being dangerous obstacles for years... now that they don't need to hide, why not just designate a specific down wind, far out spot of the beach as a smoke zone... 21 and up and ski/ride at your own risk... do not condon or desire people to use, but give a spot in only an effort to condense it problems from the rest of the public and families.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps A-basin should consider shutting down the bars as anyone who knows anything about these two drugs knows that it is FAR more dangerous to drink and ski than smoke and ski. I understand kicking out people who smoke in the lift line, but if they're on a chair by themselves or tucked in a corner, please consider giving them a break. If safety is the concern, you would be far more effective policing drinking on the mountain.

Perhaps if A-Basin had a smoke shop next to the bar their opinion would be different.

Adam L. Reiner said...

Why not just say 'Smoking (period)'. By differentiating Marijuana users you deserve all the backlash you are getting. Just say "smoking is prohibited at A-Basin".

Unless, you are saying you WON'T be evicting cigarette smokers on the same grounds as marijuana smokers.

Anonymous said...

Nobody cares that you smoke pot. You look like a dipshit blazing in lift lines. Go in the trees like myself and other stoners with common sense.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Al !!

Had someone light up on lenawee last year without consent from other riders on the chair. Not cool..